Do you really need a skimmer?

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  1. e323

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    I have been having a debate on whether a fish only tank would REALLY require a skimmer system in the sump. A friend of mine insists that a sump with a trickle system is more that enough for a fish only tank.
    What you guys think?
    I would appreciate your opinions.
     
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  3. mandarinman

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    trickle filters are nitrate factories which is not good, a skimmer really helps to reduce nutrients in water. large water changes also help if you dont have a skimmer or want to save on electricity.
     
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    Skimmer helps with nutrient removal big time,it not absolutely needed but it aids you ALOT in keeping nutrients down or else you really have to be regurlar with water changes or keep using lotsa phosphate remover/other filtration methods to remove phosphates and nitrates.
     
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    a skimmer is not neccessary but one would need other methods of nutrient reduction like big regular waterchanges, having a good refugium and or an algae scrubber. a skimmer takes out the actual fish dropping smell skimate sometime. now if u dont have a skimmmer but do or have any of the above and maintain ur tank properly u will be fine. if u have just a trickle filter and dont expect to do anything else to reduce nutrients u will have very sad unhealthy fish.
     
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    butcherman Moderator MASA Contributor

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    how big a system would you like to run skimmerless?
     
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    most are going to faint when they read my reply...

    for a fish only system, you def need a skimmer, fish are the major bio-load in the system and a skimmer will keep the "gunk" out the water column, and excess food as fish only systems tend to be fed more.

    yes for biological filtering, skimmers are mechanical, a trickle setup is perfect, the bio-balls will allow a lot more stocking which happens in fish only systems. its human nature :)

    to remove the excess nitrates, which will take a while to form, you can do water changes, or add one of the many other solutions to remove them, a diy denitrator, cheato or brightwells nitratr compound
     
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    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:Do my eyes deceive me?:y10:

    Dallas recomending a water change.....
     
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    agree with dallas and was going to say the same, its actually more important to have a skimmer on a fish only system..
     
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  11. e323

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    my tank is 150x50x70.
     
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    told you all...

    but since its FO, the rules change, and he is in cyprus so i can dash out to help :)
    you will need a skimmer, and trickle filter
     
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    Actually Dallas I agree with you on the use of bio balls,the fact of the matter is that bio balls are not a nitrate factory IF USED PROPERLY SO AS NOT TO LET DETRITUS SETTLE IN THEM.Remember the limiting factor in nitrate production is actually nitrite so as long as your bioballs are not collecting detritus then they can even be used in a reef set-up.

    I currently dont use bio balls but would probably do so in a high bio load set-up.

    And remember if the first stage of your trickle filter is sponge then clean it out or replace every few days atleast.
     
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    i am using 20kgs of bioballs in my setup, and they are kept suspended and moving, the water is filtered via a milk sock

    the reason all the bioballs, is that i am expecting to buy a huge 60cm plus anemone for it, as soon as my water clears up
     
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    Wow that is one big anemone :eek:
     
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    Thanks for all the information guys.
    Hey Dallas, used to live in Hurlingham Manor Sandton for 25 years. Cyprus IS just around the Corner.:p

    So lets see if this setup works. My idea is to have a 3 chamber sump. First chamber will have trickle system on sponge. Area as large as possible. Second chamber i am thinking of a DSB and third chamber return.
    What you guys think. ? ? ?:whistling:

    Basically i had this sump in mind with a few mods. Without skimmer.[​IMG]
     
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    that looks perfect, enough space to add a ts1 skimmer later, i would run with out a skimmer if the fish were small and less than 5, then i would look at getting a ts1, they are the price of 2-3 fish :)
     
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    I suggest you rather have the bioballs suspended in a high flow area so that they are kept moving constantly as dallas says he done his and also make the dividing glasses between the dsb etc as high as possible,right now they appear way too low.
     
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    After seeing & smelling what a skimmer pulls out of your tank, you'll wonder how the fish could ever live in there without one!
     
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    I s'pose you could do without a skimmer, pretty much the same way as you can build a house without a toilet. you will get by, but its gonna get messy and unpleasant at one stage or another.
     
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