Difference between a puffer/toby/boxfish

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  1. Evo R

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    Hey guys

    What is the difference between a puffer and a toby and a boxfish/cowfish?

    Are they the same family or not? Are they all odd shaped or not?

    Hope this is not too much of a dumb Q? :lol:

    Thanks guys
     
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    This is gonna suck unless you REEEALY want to know.

    I've started at teleosts - bony fish, and drilled down to the Balistoids (triggers mostly) to show the ostracions (cow/bowies). Puffers and tobys are tetra-onts and


    Subdivision Teleostei
    Infradivision Elopocephala
    Cohort Clupeocephala
    Subcohort Euteleostei
    Infracohort Neognathi
    Division Neoteleostei
    Subdivision Eurypterygii
    Infradivision Ctenosquamata
    Superorder Acanthopterygii
    Series Percomorpha
    Order Tetraodontiformes
    Family †Cretatriacanthidae
    Suborder Balistoidei
    Suborder Tetraodontoidei™

    SO the boxies and cowfish are in here:

    Suborder Balistoidei
    Family Triacanthodidae - spikefishes
    Family Triacanthidae - triplespines
    Family Balistidae™ - triggerfishes
    Family Monacanthidae - filefishes
    Family Ostraciidae - boxfishes
    and puffers and tobys :


    Suborder Tetraodontoidei™
    Family Triodontidae - threetooth puffers
    Family Tetraodontidae™ - puffers
    Family Diodontidae - porcupine and burrfishes
    Family Molidae - molas

    ...told you that would suck....
     
  4. Evo R

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    Uhm thanks for the info but i lost you at "hallo":lol:

    What i ment was are boxfish and toby's the same like gobies and blennies?
     
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    English then, puffers and tobys are "cousins", boxies and cowfish are "cousins", both groups are related, "but only see each-other on christmas."
     
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    :lol: :thumbup:
     
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    great reply :lol:
     
  8. Evo R

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    Best reply ever dude!!!!:thumbup:

    My gf wants a boxfish thats why i wanted more info.
    (thanks to your replies, she now has full understanding of the cousin/family relationship issues):lol:
     
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    Apparently box/cow fish have a very poor survival rate in captivaty as its hard to meet there diatry needs.So i wanted to know if a puffer or toby(both wich have better survival rates) would be a better opsion or not as my gf is facinated by there unusual shapes.
     
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    Puffer / Toby fish are not reef safe. They will chew your SPS to bits when sharpening their beak.
     
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    I think this a misconception ... My cowfish eats anything BUT what is true is that they are very slow eaters so by the time he goes chasing the food around all the other fish have gobbled it up ... I fortunately have him on his own in a 1M x 0.5M because of his slow eating habits and had him for over 18 months ... grown from about 6cm's to about 15cm's now ... Awesome character and very attention seeking bugger ... If you dont feed him on time and ignore him too long or even walk past his tank without playing with him through the glass he can very upset and spit water out the top of the tank at you .... We recently aquired an african grey parrot and his cage is next the cowfish's tank ...and the wife spent alot time next to the bird ... Big mistake .... We found the poor bird being water cannoned by the cowfish as my wife hand feeds nori to the cowfish ..... In retalliation to the fish's attack the parrot climbed down to floor one day and shredded the nori sheet that also stays near the tank ..... check out my "big baby"

    [​IMG]
     
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    lol! Our Box fishie hovers in the upper level and follows you everywhere. When its food time He surfs close to the surface like Jaws, causing a lot of splashing and a wake! :)
    He is most entertaining, and looooves Banana and Cyro`s marine food mix.

    Just a pest when its tank cleaning time, as he is not afraid of ma paws and I have to avoid Him..
     
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    Gents (and ladies). I'm a newbie here and registered as I thought I'd get the best fish identification here. I was snorkeling last weekend in Rooi Els (for kreef) and came across a box fish "sitting" on a rock (at about 20 ft and between kelp). It was easy to catch in my hand and I had to lightly pry this from it's grip. About 30 years ago I dived out a small rocksucker while on scuba (by mistake - it was inside a shell and by the time I saw this, it had been out of the water too long) and thought this may be a type of rocksucker as well, but when I upturned the fish, it had fin like claws or legs on it's belly. The colour between the "legs" was white and the rest of the fish was dark brownish mottled. I've tried to ID this fish and the closest I get is a box fish. It did not have horns. I've checked some books I have on local fishes and don't find it there. I surfaced, showed the fish to my dive partner and then let it go. It immediately swam back down. Total length about 150 mm and the OD about 60 mm square. I'm sorry I did not take more note of the fish at the time. Any ideas? Tks in advance.
     
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    These are very closely related fishes,
    Most likely a puffer from your description. Not sure which one thou
     
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    Thank you, I'll search the puffers for a more accurate ID.
     
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