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  1. mandarinman

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    If all your tank perameters are fine and you stir up your substrate causing a fine sand storm in your tank. It causes your sensitive spses to rtn ( rapid tissue necrocis) ! And lose their fleshy bits! Moral of the story is"do not make your water murky if there are spses in your tank!
     
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    Interesting, I did not realise it would cause this.

    What's the best way to keep the substrate clean in a SPS tank, or do you just leave it as it shouldn't have much of a detritus build-up due to the high flow in the tank?

    Every now and then I change the position of my 2 MP40's to blast areas which is not nornally reached, is this then advisable?
     
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    mandarinman Thread Starter

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    Your second point hits the nail on the head. I find using a turkey baster to blow muck off rocks etc works well as lomg as you don't over do it. It is best to do maintenance regularly to prevent lots of buildup.
     
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    That's a very big and bold assumption to make...

    Never ever experienced side effects from the odd sand storm myself
     
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    butcherman Moderator MASA Contributor

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    I dont think its the sand as much as the release of nutrients from the sandbed that might cause this.

    Personally i dont have a problem with a build up of detritus on my rocks or sand. A good CUC and LOADs of flow is enough for me. I have not touched my DT sand bed since i started my tank.
     
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    Nope it is the sandstorm itself .
     
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    Could it be that the abrasive nature of the sand particles actually "cut" or damage the tissue causing a type of infection or whatever it's called in terms of SPS?

    I've also never experienced this but then again, I dont keep any sensitive SPS, only acro's and plating monti a swell as Monti Digi which I think most of them are quite hardy.
     
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    Also interesting and something I have thought of previously.

    Surely the CUC will over time break down any problem causing matter into something almost harmless, as the larger pieces are constantly blown into the water column and then being eaten or skimmed out?

    Or will it just build up over time causing long term issues?
     
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    butcherman Moderator MASA Contributor

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    So what is the theory behind the sand actually causing RTN versus a relese of NH3 or hydrogen sulfide from stiring the sand?
     
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    not sure exactly. I read it on a site yesterday as a cause of rtn but how it causes it is still debatable. I had my tank with no substrate when I poured the substrate in cup by cup thrying not to create dust . The substrate was well rinsed bir there was a murkiness and some of my spses got rtn in two hours flat. The substrate is caribsea oolite that was rinsed in water and then ro water prior to putting into tank slowly. I did some googling on causes of rtn and that is where I found out that dust storms caused by fine fine particles being suspended in water column.
     
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    Could that be true? :whistling:

    I have Sugarfine Aragonite in my tank that gets stirred up on a constantly by my sandsifting Goby and my Maroon clown female makes a sandstorm on an hourly basis with her tail. The Vortech pumps blast away on Nutrient Export mode. And still the SPS' in my tank grow like weed.

    Was wondering if you take into consideration where SPS grow in their natural habitat, on reefs with chaotic waterflow and sandstorms in the water constantly..... could it then be possible????
     
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    Yeah man, if you cut back let me know!:whistling::011::sifone:
     
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    No rather not!!!! Wouldnt want to be the reason for you being neu[c]rotic :lol::lol:
     
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    I do hope we never have any sandstorms on our reefs in the oceans! :shocked:
     
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    i tend to disagree.. i regularly stir up my gravel to loosen up waste stuck in it so skimmer and mechanical filtration can scoop it up... and to date my sps is in perfect condition... i learnt it from a reefer friend @mogamatsiraajregal who also had great success with sps before packing up his tank
     
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    Ha apparently the fine particles suspended in water column upsets them! So whatever happens don't make your spses sad!
     
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    maybe what you can do is turn pumps off,then give sand a good stir so sand stays put and onlu nutrients/dusty particles come afloat the turn pumps back on to keep them suspended in order for their removal,by doin this the sand will remain settled and nt harm ur sps
     
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    Tagging!
     
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    Dont really agree
    I have had plenty sandstorms before and never had this happen
     
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