Deltec vs. Reef Octopus

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Guys I think we have to be VERY careful before saying something is expensive. My question is expensive in relation to what? I prefer A+ products because I'm assured of the quality of the product, you assured that the proper R&D went into it and more importantly you are assured of the after sales service. All of the above adds to the price of a product.

So is a Jebo at R400 bucks expensive? I think it is for what you get, Is a Reef Octopus or a Aquamedic expensive? Compared to the Jebo they bloody expensive, but compared to its perceived value in R&D, aftersales service I think its a bargain.
Guys with this in mind why would the Deltec skimmer be almost 4 times the price of a similar Reef Octopus? Is it that much better?
 
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Can your Reef Octopus do this?

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Photo's of Deltec APF600 courtesy of millepora
 

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I don't think so but that's just me. I'd say is it better than perhaps 3 reef octo's at 75% of the total price?
 

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hehe, but then again, some people have a Deltec and a Reef Octopus on the same tank and the Deltec pulls out very little compared to the Octopus skimmer.
 

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Geez, tough one, i have read threads on RC where the guys reckon the RO pulls out more than their Deltecs did. Cannot really comment though as i have never owned a Deltec.
 
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No doubt a Deltec works great as my pics show, however the Reef Octopus and ReefTek skimmers perform just as well, if not better. I am one of the guys that Dean mentions that has both and can testify to Dean’s last statement.
 
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Mods plz remove if this is inappropriate but i fell over when i was told the Daltec equivalent of my DNW 150 is R8000..
 
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Mmmm.. I too run both and my Octo currently puts my Deltec to shame.

CB, In all honesty company's like Deltec, AM and others were the pioneers. They did a lot of RD in the early days, played around with things like Needle wheels etc.
Other companies have come along, copied the principles and mass produced something that essentially isn't anything new really.
No doubt the quality on Deltec products is very good and will last you a long time if looked after. My Deltec has been going for almost 4 years and I've only ever cleaned it twice.
Do I think the price is justified ? Nope, just like a pair of Nike takkies compared to a lesser known brand assembled in the same sweat shop.
They've put in the time and developed a brand so it's hard to now de value that product. I wouldn't be suprised if some of the bigger brands go the same route as other well known products have.
Take Bosch for example - their Brand is legendary and some people will only buy Bosch. But it's expensive for the comman man. So they produce a Product called Skil, make it look a bit different but same technology at a third of the price.
Just my 2 cents
 

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sorry to hijack guys,bit off topic.we all will say that a via aqua is a crappy skimmer,i for one use an sk288 and i hate the performance of it.i was at julies pets the other day and noticed that in their coral tanks they have a via aqua and a reeftek,ive also noticed that the via aqua produces more darker skimmate in comparison to the reeftek.how is this possible,i spoke to cassim at julies and he said it is out performing the reeftek?is it becuse the reeftek is not correctly setup?
 
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definatley would be that the reeftek was not properly set up.....i sold cassim that unit about a year ago......the really work well..........
no doubt in my mind the reefocto and reeftek range outclass the deltec in this regard............im sure that statement may upset a few people who punt deltec but from honest experiance (having witnessed the 2 differant skimates in the same system) this is the case..............reefocto 1:) - deltec 0:(
 

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yeah marco and that was the reeftek was suppose to collect from him and he used it in his own system.feel like killing him sometimes lol. by the way that was the first time ive seen a reeftek performed that way as compared to what ive seen in the reefoctops and reeftek range
 
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Take Bosch for example - their Brand is legendary and some people will only buy Bosch. But it's expensive for the comman man. So they produce a Product called Skil, make it look a bit different but same technology at a third of the price.
Just my 2 cents
I agree with all of the above except for the power tool issue. For the guy who hangs up a picture once a year... Skil is the tool. But for the passionate diy guy the Bosch will outlast the skil ten times over. Sorry Antony...this i feel strongly about:razz:

I also run both the Octo and Deltec. The Deltec i used to feed via overflow and found skimate production very disapointing. I then moved it to another tank and used a feed pump for supply. I could not believe the difference in performance. I now suspect that the supply plumbed from the overflow may have been sending occasional big bubbles into the skimmer which interfered with skimming performance.

As much as i love the Deltec i would never buy one again....purely because of price.
My Octo is poetry in motion.
 
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lol, agreed you can't beat the quality. Maybe the skill / Bosch thing was a bad example. What I'm saying is the pioneers had to develop and test the technology which cost them. Others have come along and copied, cutting out the expensive RD phase allowing them to be more competitive.

Another thing I've noticed is that we as Aquarists have become a lot more demanding. We want and expect a lot more from our skimmers.
Take the Deltec APF600 for example. 5 years ago it would have been the benchmark for a skimmer of that size, being a huge leap forward on what was available at the time.
Since then though, better skimmers have become available and the APF600 IMO is outdated. IMO the Aquabee 2000 is not sufficeint enough to drive this skimmer to it's full potential, yet as far as I know they are still the same if you had to purchase one today. AM have also been guilty of not keeping up with the aquarists demands and are being left beind by guy's who have taken the basics and improved on it.
 

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This is true. Generally the "brand name" companies are the guys putting in the R&D and in a perfect world we should probably support them but the "cheap clone" kinda companies provide a similar, sometimes not quite as good performance, sometimes not quite as good quality, but sometimes better... At the end of the day we just want something that will do the job and preferably as cheaply as possible.
 

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agreed that there are many slimmers out there some perhaps more cosmetic than the others but at the end of the day the proof is in the colour of the skimate..... if it works for the intended bioload and perhaps a bit more for half the price or even being home made why not use it.....
 

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