Cycling times

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  1. nudibranch

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    Hi All

    I wanted to get an indication of how long your cycling time took and what you used to aid the cycling? I know this is a patience game and I'm in no way trying to speed it up. I'm in my forth week and my NH3 = 0, NO2 = 1 and NO3 still around 50. I used dry rock and special blend. I also use MICROBE-LIFT/Nite-Out II. I also have bio cubes in the sump.

    Is there anything else I should be doing?
     
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    the no2 should be 0, what biological filtration media do you have?

    NO3 is the last leg of the cycle so that present means the cycle is rolling along, how many cubes? installed with the bomb method?
     
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    with regards to cycling times is dependent on the method you choose.
    Prodibio was 12hrs
    Zeovit was 14 days
    NeoZeo was about 14 days i think
    Traditional Berlin method 4-6 weeks
     
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    Hey Dallas

    I currently have Bio balls and crushed coral. I'm using 250g bio cubes installed using the bomb method
     
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    can you post a pic?

    the bio-balls work well but need to be kept super clean by using filter wool etc. the crushed coral as well...

    how many liters is your tank?
     
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    I will post a pic tonight

    I use filter wool currently, how often should it be replaced during the cycling phase?

    The tank is 360L
     
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    i replace every 3-4 days, or when dirty

    250ml will be to little for 360L with NO3 at 50ppm, i can give you and extra handful i have plenty
     
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    I have some more bio cubes at home so will add. Should I add another 250ml or say half?

    My filter wool does not look dirty at all but I suppose that does not mean it is clean. Will change it more often.
     
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    change when it goes light brown :)

    you can add more, will pull those NO3 to less than 10pp,
     
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    Other factors also play a role, especially the state of the liverock you use. Is it already cure rock from LFS or another system. Is it freshly imported rock that took some time to land, meaning there is more die off on and in the rock?

    Cycle is basically the time it takes for all the dead zombies to be removed. Certain actions can speed it up, like dosing bacteria. Even with the worst state rock, even the fastest advocated method will take longer than normally for that specific method.

    So each time is different, but as dallasg said
     
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    As another salt water newbie that started from scratch, thus no bacteria I could transfer from existing systems.

    My cycle time for my nano cube was 16 day. Two pieces of base rock an one large cured live rock. I use Seachem matrix as filter media, with a few pieces of bio cubes. I spiked it with Special blend and Night out.


    I fell hook line and sinker for this hobby:blush:, so I also bought a 1.5 m tank, which is now on day 5 of the cycle process. NH3 started to raise on day 3. This tank is "standard" base rock and live rock only. I hope it goes faster.
     
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    the best way to test is test for NH3/4 and NO2, when zero add a cube of dead fish, say 2cm, and your levels should stay at 0, meaning the bacteria is there removing the toxic ammonia etc.

    the cycle changes all the time, the longer you leave the bacteria without a food source they die, so the best test is to add ammonia either from food or using pure ammonia but thats a whole new article
     
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    So @dallasg are you saying that the bacteria in my tank could be dying as it has no food source?
     
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    I know you are asking dallasg but the answer is yes
     
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    I don't understand. I have to get my values to zero but the bacteria that consumes them is dying? Am I misunderstanding this?

    I thought the bacteria was the thing consuming the ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate?
     
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    Bacteria multiply to the point of being able to handle all the processes
     
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    The bacteria still need nutrition to carry out the processes
     
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    Anaerobic bacteria use nitrates in lieu of oxygen
     
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    as mentioned above, everything needs food, so just letting your tank sit and cycle IMHO does nothing, things die, bacteria consumes it, there is nothing, bacteria die, whoops lets start again....
     
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