Corals not to be kept by LFS

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  1. Jaco Schoeman

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    *WITHOUT PREJUDICE*

    Hi guys. Before I go further, I would like to state this is not aimed to badmouth ANY LFS, sponsor or not. This is more of a request to us, the consumer and buyers:

    I have been keeping an eye out for NPS Corals specifically over the last few months, these include Gorgonians, Chili Coral, Sun Coral, Cauliflower corals etc. It made me sick to see in what condition they were in LFS tanks. The problem I have with this specific type of coral, is that they do not have any symbiotic algae to help feed them, as all other corals have, thus they require "manual" feeding.

    Understandably, the LFS can not comply with this feeding requirements to these coral, as it would be too costly and time consuming. So, the corals are just kept, with normal feeding - if any.

    Without food in the water, and because light is of no concern, most of these corals only open up at night (being nocternal) thus they are closed in daytime, when the LFS runs their business hours, so no-one finds the coral attractive and no one buys them.

    Those who does buy them, like myself, then buy a coral that already has "7polyp tentacles in the grave" and we must try and save. Then, becuase most other reefers aren't dedicated NPS keepers, they cant save the animal.

    My solution to this is twofold:

    1) The LFS should NOT buy / import these corals, unless they have a dedicated tank to meet feeding etc. The only time they do buy them, is when they have an order from a customer, and the coral is kept for a minimal timeframe in the tanks.

    2) The consumer needs to (ONCE AGAIN) research coral species before buying them. You need to know that keeping a Sun Coral is not a matter of just feeding once a week. yes, the coral would live, but it would not do as well as it could.

    Having these corals in a "non specialist" tank, is really the same as keeping a human in a room but just giving him 20% oxygen to live from.:p


    Please feel free to add to this list of corals, that you also feel needs to be kept or purchased on an "order from supplier" manner.

    My list of "ordered corals" are:

    Sun Coral
    Non Photosynthetic Gorgonian
    Chili Coral
    Tube Anemone's
    Cualiflower Coral
    Goniopora

    PS: Sad thing is, I am now trying to get (save) as much NPS as I can, but when my tank is full, I will have to endure the death of these animals as they are wrongfully kept, sold, and fed.
     
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  3. FransSny

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    NPS police on the go again;)

    But yes you are right Jaco, except that I feel this post should be more aimed at the uneducated buyer. If we dont buy LFS wont import
     
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    That is true Frans, but if the LFS help educate, and have a system set up to show the customer what the workload is to keep these, that would help a lot...

    I would love to see a small NPS tank in every LFS. Many advantages of this, but in the end, because it is such a nice colourfull setup, sales will also increase, as more people would want it.

    Not only that, to those newbs wanting to keep NPS, one can show what equipment, feeeding and enviromental requirements needs to be met, that might save the lives of coral.

    If one then really wants to get a NPS coral, he has to place it on order. Easy enough...

    PS: Thank you for NPS Police comment... Be aware, be very aware!!! :thumbup:
     
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    I dont think that Sun corals should be on the list, Even though they are NPS.

    Lots of people have great success keeping them in mixed reef's, provided they target feed them often
     
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    True, one can keep almost any NPS coral in a mixed reef, but the point is, that I feel one rather should order it from the LFS, rather than it being kept in the LFS tanks for a month, after which someone only buys it.

    Let me put it in this way, this to me, is the same as having a 30cm lionfish in a 40cm tank untill someone eventually buys it. Rather sell those specimens on a "ordered" basis.;)

    See my point?
     
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    Jaco if one really think about it probably most LS should be on an order basis , thus giving the buyer a real opportunity to research, get ready etc...not just viable

    BTW : just for you:

    [​IMG]
     
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    yup, I can agree. Same thing with nennies - they should be on an order basis
     
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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::roflmao:
     
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    Exactly... ;)
     
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    Why the tube anemones on the list?
     
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    Jaco, do you have a pic of this???
     
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    Tube anemones are in fact not anemones, and have thus no algae in their tissue. They need to filter feed, and quite frequently too, as they have plenty of food available in the ocean.

    Keeping them in LFS tanks without feeding them at least daily, might have a negative impact on their health.
     
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    :P:

    Sorry Sean_K - some people refer to it as a cauliflower, but when I googled, I found it is not.

    I refer to the Dendroneptya / Carnation Coral

    [​IMG]

    :biggrin:
     
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    Ah, ok, thought as much.Thank you
     
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    You have a good point there Jaco, but I myself don't think the average LFS intentionally orders NPS corals...I know our LFS here gets some in now and again and he complains like hell because he never ordered them. Importers seem to just put stuff in sometimes to full your order and I think a lot of the time these corals come in on that basis and like you said the LFS doesnt have the time and dedicated tanks to house these and they die. Just my thoughts on the topic :)
     
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    Yeah, that is also true, I have also heard this. That is a problem, and the sad thing is the suppliers wouldn't ever stop doing this IMO.

    Again, don't you think that the LFS then has to have like a "specialist" tank for these type of corals?

    Not only NPS, bu like special nennie tanks, with CLS, good lighting and also feed them their feeding needs. Even if they charge more for the coral then, due to the expense they have taken, at least the coral survives.

    Dunno, maybe I'm just being a bit harsh here, but we take a lot flack from letting LS die, mostly due to our own stupidity, and I will take the "pak slae", but so the LFS has to as well.

    One -censored- LFS already commited that when my new NPS shipment comes in, the corals wouldn't even go into his tanks, and he will let me have them the moment they land. This is the type of LFS I like, as they know they wont be able to keep Black Suncoral alive, so get it to the client that knows how to keep them asap.
     
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