clown problem!!! please help!!

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    Hi there everyone!!
    My name Stephen, and im the noob!! hahahaha!!
    Well ive had my tank for 14 months now and its doing surprisingly well!!
    I have a few soft corals and have just recently introduced two clowns to my tank, unfortunatley my protein skimmer packed up and one of my clowns died!!
    My other clown looks as if its guills are working over time!! Might anyone have an idea why that is??
    Thanks
    Stevo!!
     
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    Welcome to MASA Steve :wave2:

    Please answer me the following Q's:
    1. How long after the skimmer packed up did the clown die?
    2. what are your water parameters?
    3. With what do you top up evapourated water?
    4. What is your tank temp at the moment?

    Maybe the problem lies in there somewhere, or you bought already sick fish :(
     
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    How long ago did it pack up, have you done any water changes, and when you say pack up what happened?
     
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    When you say his gills are working overtime, does it look like he is battling to breathe? Is his mouth also constantly opening and closing?

    p.s. Welcome to the forum :)
     
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    well i did a water change on saturday as soon as i sore him stuck to the power head!!
    it looks like the other is struggling to breathe and he seems to have lost his appetite!!
    my temp is 26 at the moment.
     
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    oh and i have a sugar lips and hes perfectly fine, but the two clowns were purchased from seperate tanks, so i cant seem to piece together wot the problem may be.
     
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    the protein skimmers propellers wont budge!!
     
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    Bump :whistling:
     
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    he died about three hours later.
    the only thing that was out of line was the ph (8.2 instead of 8.3)
    i use water from marine research facility in seapoint and then still oro water.
     
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    P.h definately not the probblem here. Does your return pump break the waters surface and agitate it to help with oxygenation?
     
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    So the Clown is stuck in the skimmer? :whistling:

    So no sump :thumbup:? If the Clowns aren’t happy your softies will not be happy @ all! Clowns are hardy. Only a guess but I think the water change introduced more stress on the already stressed clowns. Check parameters and temp, salinity probably.
     
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    That PH would have not been the cause, nothing wrong with PH unless the reading is wrong.

    What make of skimmer pump, it probably had a steel shaft and it has now rusted.
     
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    I have a Jebo quadraplex protein skimmer.
    The corals are all super happy and growin at a daily rate!! None of the corals look as if they have been effected by the water change, does anyone know why the clown looks like its struggling "to breathe"??
     
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    And to be completely honest i have had my corals without a protein skimmer for atleast 4 months without any hassles...........and i eventually bought one and let the tank run.
     
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    I had Clowns breathing "Heavy" after i moved and transported my tank. They were stressed. They eventualy after few hours were fine again. I thought that the water change could have changed your water parameters very quickly and the clowns could be stressed from that, but again alot of "could's".

    See any white spots? fungi ect?
     
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    The clowns could have gill fluke. There could be poor oxygenation from too higher a temperature and the water's surface not being broken by a return pump or powerhead.
    There could be ammonia in the water. Did the fish srcape against rocks or other hard objects.
     
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    I think the clowns was sick already when you bought them... just a coincidence that the skimmer packed up as well.
     
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    I just wana say thanx to all of ya for helping me out here, i reali appretiate it yall. And hopefully things dont take a turn for the worst.
    Thanx all for the warm welcome!!!
     
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    Hi Steve - Glad to see another Cape Town reefer join MASA! Awesome of you man! Great to have you on-board!

    How is your surviving clown doing?

    Sometimes, fish are caught by the original suppliers (where ever they come from - Singapora, Thailand, or where-ever) by really dubious means....
    So - by the time our LFS's get the in their shops - they are basically doomed already....

    Do you perhaps know how long this LFS had the clown fish in his tank?

    Also - all of the reasons given above, could definitely be true...

    My personal opinion - they were already feeling worse for the wear at the LFS - when you got them, the act of the person catching them stresses them up SO MUCH, you won't believe.... the chances that they will recover all of a sudden becomes EXTREMELY slim...
    Then your skimmer breaks - meaning the nutrient levels in the tank shoots sky-high.....
    Third part of the stress - this just means that this was the final straw for the poor fish....

    A suggestion perhaps? Next time, perhaps ask how long the fish have been in the tank for at the LFS.... or pay a deposit and leave the fish in the LFS tank for a few days longer.... if they DO then survive, they will more than likely survive in YOUR TANK as well...

    Just a note on keeping life stock in a nano tank - YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE DILIGENT ABOUT YOUR WATER CHANGES!

    In a nano things can go wrong JUST FAR TOO QUICKLY because of the small water volume....
     
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