Chewed up anemone

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  1. smartegoutte

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    I added an anemone in my tank 3 weeks ago to gether with three clowns. The anemone has been on the move constantly. Unfortunately last night he managed to get caught up in my wave maker. hesuffered 30% damage . unfortunately i was not home when this happened but my wife tells me there was debri in the tank which the fish ate. He seems ok in that he is still alive although damaged. i'm concerned that the debris could poison the tank. Any advice would be appreciated
     
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  3. Jaak

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    Siphon off as much of the debris & pieces of anemone as you can. It will cause an ammonia spike. Try to maintain your water quality at it's absolute best for now. Do an immediate 20% water change. I went through the same a few months back and my GBTA pulled through 100%. What type of anemone have you got?
     
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    Please look into making all of your powerheads/pumps anemone proof. What lighting do you have over your tank?
     
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    He should recover if looked after and fed but like Viper said, make your pumps nennie proof to avoid future problems
     
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    Poison may be a strong word, but yes a lot of bio mass is released very quickly into the water column. Effects will not immediately be visible, however what will be going on behind the scenes is that oxygen levels will drop, redox levels will plummet and life within the tank will start to look a little green around the gills.:whistling:

    A good skimmer at this particular moment in time cannot be substituted with any other form of filtration. Its capacity to start removing this gunk is immediate... not to mention that its constant supply of oxygen helps stem the fall in redox.

    The redox in our (marine aquarium) situation is simply a measure of the waters ability to purify itself. Its collapse is associated to oxygen levels dropping as bacteria multiply doing what it does best. The catch is that in our closed systems, if you do not provide enough oxygen even the bacteria go belly up. Critical mass...Eish

    For those reefers out there, pH levels will also drop (in line with falling oxygen). Short term not fatal, however stony corals will start to stress. So if you cannot measure redox, measure pH. Broadly speaking the two are related.

    Your immediate course of action should be lots of air ie old school air pumps( ramped up circulation also improves gas exchange), carbon (great at removing organic compounds) and of course water changes.

    Hope your nennie lives to breath :)another day. Good luck
     
  7. Anemone

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    Agreed.

    How old is the tank? What are the water parameters? What size tank? What other livestock do you have with the anemone? Three clownfish may fight till the death of one or more.
     
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    Aaa those wonderfully nennies.
     
  9. smartegoutte

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    Thanks for all the advice guys.

    Tank details main tank 1.4L x 0.9H x 0.65W. Have two 4ft tanks as sumps. first tank has live rock 2nd tank DSB. Total live rock approx 90kg

    Sump cycled for 4 weeks. all parameters where good when i linked into main tank 4 weeks ago. So system running 2 months in total.

    Nennie proof? where can i fine details on this. I have two Resun wave makers and a Seio 1000 lph in display tank

    Lighting 2off white T5's 2off blue T5's and 3off 150w 20000K MH's

    Have reef octo skimmer and another Chinese skimmer.

    Stock all small
    3 clowns, all very happy 2 paired still quite small.
    Cleaner Wrasse
    Regal tang
    Arrow Crab

    Corals Fox coral
    Long tenticle Heteractis-malu (closest looking) nennie
    Blue mushroom
    Sunset coral
    Got another coral not sure of name hard base soft thin tenticles with green tips??

    I haven't had a chance to check parameters. will do today.

    Good news is nennie seems to be bouncing back everything else "appears" to be OK but sure parameters will be more enlightening. Noticed slight slick on surface in sumps added small recirc pump and repositioned scannister filter outlet to disturb surface.

    Will try and get to beach tomorrow (before rugby) to carry out water change.
     
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    AND the LFS's the just LOVE to sell them (the nennies) to "immature" tanks and reefkeepers.....

    EISH -

    SunBurst - I must commend you, once again, on an amazing answer and explanation.

    Many thanks! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

    BTW: smartegoutte:
    Anemone's "walk" if/when they are unhappy in one spot.... they "try out" a new spot....

    You need really decent cross-flow at the location of the nemmie, as well as HUGE amount of lighting, and the correct "location" (LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION), for the correct nemmie....
    ie. some nemmies require to have it's "foot" lodged inbetween rocks........ other nemmies on TOP of rocks, on a "pedestal" of rockwork...... other nemmies prefer to be on/in the sand....

    Could you please possibly elaborate on the history of you acquiring the nemmie?
    (ie. how long ago, from where/whom, did you read up on the nemmie beforehand? Did you come on MASA to ask about the nemmie before you bought it? Was the nemmie a "gift" from someone? Did you check that your lighting and water flow was correct beforehand? etc?)
    If you don't mind, please?

    Many thanks.
     
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    Sorry - we posted together, smartegoutte...

    You answered some of my questions in you last post.... no need for duplication....
     
  12. smartegoutte

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    Hi jacques

    The nennie has been on the move since i put him in. has literally moved to all four corners. He seems to settle for a few days and then off again.As i mentioned before i have the 2 Resuns which cycle up to 15000lph each and i placed the Seio for circulation around the back of my rocks. I was lead to believe that the lighting and flow should be sufficient for a nennie.

    I bought from a LFS. I don't want to mention names but he's the most honest and informative all all the LFS's that i've dealt with. I hear where you're comming from and i have already been stung by a couple of the bigger LFS's. The LFS i bought from refused to sell me anything until my tank was a month old. Also hasn't charged me on more than one occassion for RO. In return i support him and will continue to do so. He also did warn me about the wave makers, unfortunately i was out of town for 5 days and the missus was keeping an eye on things for me.:(

    I have slowly been ramping my MH hours up. up to 6hrs a day at the moment. T5's on for 10hrs. This might be the reason the nennie is not happy.
     
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    All else sounds good smartegoutte.... and you right. Your lighting is ample for keeping an anemone...

    There must be something else bothering it..... What type of nemmie is it? Perhaps it would rather prefer a spot on the rock work? Or perhaps it would rather want to have it's foot wedged in between rock work?

    Let's see if we can try and resolve this moving nemmie issue for you?

    I too have 2 or those ReSun Wavers..... I also have 2 x SEIO M1100's, and a SEIO M1500... and a SunSun 5000 litre/hour...

    I tried to position my pumps, that my huge heteractis magnifica anemone, is basically "caught" in the cross-fire of where the water flow from my 2 ReSuns, and on SunSun, meet....

    The nemmie seems happy there... If my power goes out... or I fiddle with the tank's power-heads, where the power-heads are off for at least 45 minutes to an hour, then the magnifica starts to move.... it only moves like 2 to 3cm..... and as soon as I switch the power-heads back on.... then the nemmie moves back to it's old spot....

    The nemmie have been on the same spot now, for at least 3 years...
     
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    That's interesting because at one point i actually thought i had to much flow around him. I initially tried to place him on the tank bottom but he quickly moved to some near by rocks and then carried on his journey. I have my resuns cycling on long low long medium and short high. maybe i should be short low short medium and full high.
     
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    JIP SMartegoutte..... As much Full high as you can.....

    Just remember: the time the pumps stay on at "full high" is about 10 or 15 seconds only....
     
  16. Anemone

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    Two months is not enough time for a tank to mature for an anemone. You may also be stocking too quickly. Your bio load needs to adjust to the additions. Definately check your water parameters.

    How about a picture of the anemone....lets make sure we are dealing with a healthy anemone. Under the right conditions an anemone can make a full recovery when injured. Was the mouth injured? What were you feeding the anemone? Read my thread reagarding feeding anemones found here:

    Feeding Anemones - Specialist Anemone advice

    As far as protecting the anemone from powerheads and intakes, you need to cover them with some sort of mesh. I recommend a plastic mesh that is used for needle point. It is found at craft stores.
     
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    Hi Anenome

    Mouth not damaged. No specific feeding. LFS said not required??? He seems OK but can't get pic as he has moved behind rocks seems happy with SEIO1000 pump blasting him head on. Poor clowns are swimming constantly but look very healthy.

    Checked paramteres this weekend.
    NO3 little high second colour graduation can't remember numbers
    PO4 slightly high also 2nd level but nothing alarming.
    NO2 zero
    NH4 zero PH8.5 in the evening.
    All fish and other corals seem fine.

    Will attempt to nennie proof some pumps this evening.

    Changed settings on wave makers to create max flow.
     
  19. tinusb

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    Maybe a bit off topic - got a magnifica nemmie too with the tank being too immature... ended up dying... and yes... was a slimy mess when I took it out. Got a Bubble Tip Anemome from IMarine and it is as happy as can be --- in the tank now for about 14 months or so... also ended up splitting, so there are two in the tank... remained in the same spot now for 90% of the time...

    The 'walking' of the nemmies, is it perhaps that some species are more prone to walking than others, ie. eg. heteractus macnifica more prone than the Entacmaea (quadricolor/onion bubble tip) anemone?
     
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    Unfortunately the LFS was wrong. They need meaty foods.
     
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    Anemones walk, or roam when they are unhappy. That being said, some anemones are not as sensitive as others. The E. quadricolor is the most forgiving (of the hosting anemones) as far as water parameters, lighting, etc. So you may not see it roam as much. Also when anemones split, this is usually (not always) a sign of stress. It may be so minimal that you may not even notice what caused the stress. It may be something as simple as a slight temperature change, and the temperature may be back to normal by the time the anemone split.
     
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