Change of plan - advice needed.

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  1. Meneer

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    Originally I was planning to convert this 48l Buyo to a marine....

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    I am gonna put this one on gumtree towards some equipment for the new tank.

    I bought this 1,2m from JsPLAYn

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    With sump

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    I was thinking of adding a refugium as the sump is quite big.

    I am planning on supplying water to the refugium with an extra small pump, as I believe they do not want a very high flowrate.

    Would this be a waste of time or bad idea?

    This is how I plan to change the sump. The blue is the existing size and layout.
    Yellow - the refugium I thought about adding

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    Regarding the return pump. What size should I get? The tank is 120x45X45.
    I know a to high flowrate could cause sandstorms in the DSB, which I do not want.

    My total volume of water before stocking should be around 380 litres

    Any suggestions or advice?
     
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  3. FransSny

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    Hi Meneer, IMHO you will have much better system with the new tank compared to the Buyo....although they make lekker little systems.

    Looking at your drawing my first question is where will you be putting your skimmer. This is normally in the inlet chamber . That chamber is gonna be a bit small , even for TS1.

    Secondly the second chamber (70 mm) is a waste of space IMHO, no real need for baffles

    What I would do is a simple 3 chamber sump setup

    1. Inlet & skimmer
    2. DSB (as BIG as possible)
    3. Return

    In terms of your return pump..I have always felt maximum contact time with the DSB is best, I aim for roughly 3-4 times WORKING volume.

    Good luck with the new setup...lets see what the other guys say
     
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    There many better ways in regarding filteration. Dsb a bit old and can be good or very bad on a system. I say leave the dsb out, grow some macro algae instead. Many top system know a days do away with dsb know a days. Get some N and P pellets and run from day 1.
     
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    what skimmer do you have?

    If it can fit into 170mm, then I will take the right most panel out, and have a "1st" chamber.

    You have so much space for a proper size DSB. Just move left most panel up, to create smaller return chamber and bigger middle DSB area. Also I rather have a RO section than a refugium section.

    Finally, I will never advice to a newbie to go full on out on "advanced" filtration systems, We had this discussion like mad in December, and a DSB is the simplest, cheapest and newbie-friendly filtration system their is. That is my opinion, and will stand by it. Yes agreed, you can know about other systems, but you already need to buy a lot of other equipment. Rather spend that bit extra and get that little bit better pumps or light unit.
    You got a 1.2 sump, minus say 200 for first and another 200 for last chamber, you end up with a 800mm DSB. Nice.
     
  6. Meneer

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    Thanx.

    I will remove the Baffle and my Skimmer should fit in there(JEBO Quadplex with 2003 pump) No money for a TS1 or 2 at this stage.

    @RiaanP By RO, I assume you mean Reverse Osmosis system?
    I have in installed in my kitchen 6 meters and was planning on building auto-top-up system anyway - or is there som other RO you are referring to?

    No advice as to the size of the return pump??
     
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    RO, yes as in reverse osmoses water.

    Human RO system and Marine RO system is not 100% the same. So no, can not use the kitchen unit.

    Return pump, about something that delivers between 2 and 3 000 L/h at a head height of between 1.6 and 1.8m
     
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    paint the stand with hammerite!!
     
  9. JsPLAYn

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    Hi Meneer, wow tanks looking awesum, kwik job at cleanin her up, cnt wait to c her up an runnin,goodluck an build an awesum system, I will be tagging along, oh an with regards to skimmer, I have the TS2 up for grabs at a steal, call me
     
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    @Tremayn - Stand is galvanized...
     
  11. Meneer

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    New configuration for sump....

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    Thats how I would do it. just one thing...make sure the dividers are not too high in order to accommodate the overflow in case of power outage.

    Also the last chamber is quite big (almost 300 mm) any specific reason...it just needs to be big enough to accomodate the pump plus enough for water loss due to evap so the pump doesnt run dry
     
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    second glass partition should be 10mm lower than first.

    Why such a big return? If you got a ATU, you can go smaller. I would make it max 200mm
     
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    perhaps make the inlet chamber larger, this way you wont have issues should you want to upgrade your skimmer.
    You can probably also get away with a smaller return chamber.
     
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    just turn the thing around....(i mean dimention wise) inlet becomes return and return inlet :)
     
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    @Meneer... Well if I wer u,all I would do is turn the sump around, oppersite of hw I had it an bobz ur uncle. Bracing infront,an remove the baffle in small chamber to make slightly bigger to accomadate return pump an u on ur way
     
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    Oh an then ur place would be sufficient for ur TS2 lol
     
  18. Meneer

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    Thanx Guys..

    Yeah - maybe I should just turn it around. The reason I made the return part bigger is for in case I needed to put some more stuff in there later(Dunno what yet, but just in case....)
     
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    @RiaanP Thanx for reminding me about the 10mm gap :thumbup:

    Return pump area now 20cm, with the glass 10 mm lower.. just waiting for the silicone to dry so I can have a test with tap water for leaks.....
     
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    Chambers now

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    leave some space over dsb for pods/macro algae and you have a refugium;)

    I suggest a +-1800lph return pump for that size system.
     
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