Best time to buy live stock

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  1. mandrin

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    hi guys ... my local LFS got live stock last nite ....
    was wondering should i go buy some today or should i let the livestock settle in their tanks for a few days and rather go there on monday ...
    wats your advise on this thanks guys ....u rock here ;)
     
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  3. FransSny

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    mandrin, best (IMHO) would be to go there , see what you want , research and finalise your decision, pay a deposit and ask them to keep it for a week or so.

    This allows for an informed decision , gives the fish time to settle after shipment and also lessens the outbreak of disease

    My 2C
     
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    Agree with Frans.
    I prefer buying livestock a few days after it lands. Being transported and then acclimatised is stressful and having it doen twice in one day might be a bit too much for some stock.
     
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    yeah guys i was thinkong the same ... me new to this sorry for silly questions........thanks mab i shud wait ...till monday .....:thumbup:
     
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    not a silly question at all mandarin, its a very sensible one and it shows you are stronger willed than most who just start out. I personally never buy LS as it lands and dislike LFS's who give discounts on fish that have just landed. Always try find out what the fish eats at the LFS and ask them to feed it first before you buy it. Look for any signs of damage (especially to the mouth area) or heavey breathing. Two signs to walk away from the fish.

    always try get the fatter, brighter fish in the tank of the secies you want and have a plan on what you want to buy before you go in, try resist impulse purchases as much as possible.

    best of luck on monday :)
     
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    @ crispin thanks for the advise ....will do on monday i will look out for the fatter ones ...lol
    well me being new ... already wana get a bigger tank but i jus taking a chilli pill lol:).......
    its a great hobby ...thanks again
     
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    so what fish and inverst are you thinking of getting, why not run a list by us and we can see what the options are? how big is the tank, what lighting, how much live rock and what sort of fish do you like the look of?
     
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    have to disagree,

    The longer the just landed but healthy fish is at the LFS, the more change it has to become infected by one sick individual. Lots of fish comes and go. Even if this week all is OK, but last week one fish that is gone now, dropped WS cycst. Or next week, while your fish is being cared for, another fish with some nasty add on is added to the same tank.

    When is the best time?
    As soon as possible, AFTER you done your research.
     
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    hmmm riaan i hear you point, but i dont agree to be honest. Letting a fish have time to settle after a long haul flight and get used to a new set of water perameters is always a good thing in my view. Wait before buying, and then take it home and quarenteen is by far the best way to go about it.

    id never buy out the box, or one day after like some SA fish shops try entice you to do by giving discount prices. Im never in a hurry to get the fish I want, its a plan thats worked out on a 5 year cycle. i intend every fish that goes into my tank will be there in years to come, so taking a risk by getting a fish once its just landed, still battling stress from flight, low O2 in bags, possibly cyanide poisoning from capture etc etc etc is not worth it in my view. Better to wait and then buy and then drop it into a bucket like other people do :) Actually while on the topic of bucket quarenteen, wont you put that thread in here for mandarin to read as well:)

    i do hear waht ytou are saying about the increased chance of a healthy fish contracting a disease in a LFS's shop, but i feel its more likely to overcome or ward off diseases than it is to sucumb to stress from capture, transport and acclimatisation.

    just my view though (keeps cosewecanfly happy)
     
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    intersting ... well i am new to this , lstarting small first got a 37 l aquaria with venturi protein skimmer
    with a little refguimat back wit protein skimmer add pure chemi elite as well then got some ceramic rings ...got abot 4 kg live rock in main tank ....have a pair of percula clowns i cleaner shrimp some snails and a orange spotted gobie as for lites its std wit ....2 x 24 w tc-l and in the refuguim 5w tc -d
    i got some mushrooms corals polys and star polps ...wana get a yellow wraase or a 6 striped wraase
     
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    Well I am out of this argument as I think there are a lot of factors & variables to consider....one of the biggest being experience

    @ mandarin , I wouldnt put any more fish in that system
     
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    reali jus the two clowns ......
    if u dont mind me asking why...... thanks .....
    i just wanted to add like 2 to 3 more thats it ......ntil i get a bigger tank mab a 130 ltre
     
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    mandarin personally id hold off on fish as thats a fairly heavey load for a small new tank. perhaps you could look at some of the smaller wrasses or goby's (im thinking of a rainfords goby or maybe a citron goby).

    I wouldnt suggest a six line wrass. I have one in my 800l tank and he has single handedly taken out all the pods and is relativley aggressive. in such a small tank a six line would cause havoc i fear. They are wonderful fish and very pretty but not your best choice i fear.

    a yellow wrasse (also known as the banna wrasse or canari wrasse) is also a great fish, but a big swimmer and again needs a bigger tank with lots of sand as it burries itself to sleep. id skip that too im afraid.

    you could also look at things like purple fire fish or maybe cardinals, but id not recomend too many more fish in there.

    what about getting something a little different from the fish? something like a bristle star fish, or shrimps. a pair of cleaner shrimps would look great in there, or even better a small group (maybe 3-4) sexy shrimp (thor ambioensis).

    Just google some of the names I have suggested so you can see what I am looking at.

    you could also put some money towards mushroom corals, or zoanthids, or maybe a decent sized pincushion (which your clowns might like to host in).

    lots of options, but id not go with too many more fish:)
     
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    I know before hand what will land
    Then I give the lfs a bucket with my water ...
     
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    some yellow tailed damsels might work as well.

    hang on let me find you an article i read last night on fish options for a nano, it wqas well written, give me a sec ok?
     
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    good thinking. Yet another reason to have a good relationship with your LS supplier
     
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    Ok , I personally dont feel there are "set rules" in this hobby , BUT experience (I think a lot of other nano owners will concur) has tought me that owning and sucesfully managing a nono is MUCH harder than a bigger setup.

    Remember with a smaller water volume water quality becomes unstable much quicker than with a larger volume. Thus adding more fish will hasten the process. Even if you are running chemicals etc you will have to monitor water quality VERY closely.

    Rather find your feet with a smaller , lighter stocked setup and move from there. You can add nice softies , shrimp or so etc to fill it up.

    Also bear in mind fish grow...nemos quite quickly ;)

    @ crispin ...sorry was posting at same time
     
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    thanks guysu all are great will do @ crispin look at yr fish u told me about ..

    yeah mabe 1 more fish then add more wen i get a 130l tank .......
    ps my orangespotre gobe fun to watch he turns the sand often and keeps it snow white great fish .....
     
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    is it eating prepared food as well? Sand sifters generally need very mature tanks with alot of life in the substrate.
     
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