Bangaii Cardinalfish Endangered

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  1. viper357

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    They are lovely fish to have.

    Still sad i lost mine.
     
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    Our main tank at the shop breeds them all the time. They live in the long spine urchin till they get big enough to come out. I know @Toolboysa has bread them successfully too.
     
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    Mine is also breading! This is the first baby that made it.

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    cant find a female big enough for my male :(
     
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    Would love to breed them. Just cannot seem to get a pair of them.
    The two I have don not seem to be a pair.
     
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    Very cool
     
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    This is a pity, but if this is what it takes to save the species, then so be it.

    Maybe this will drive up prices, and make them more attractive to breed? But then again, will reefers be willing to pay more for them?

    I think sexing them, along with their territorial behaviour, is probably the biggest obstacle to their successful breeding in community tanks.

    My Bangaii was my first fish (along with another he didn't get along with), and is still my favourite. I can watch him cruise my tank for hours, especially when the lights start dimming. He literally rules my tank.

    It's however a love-hate relationship, because he is very boisterous, harassing most other inhabitants - a cleaner shrimp I added a few days ago being the his latest target.

    I would have loved to breed them, but finding him (him, if the vent sexing method is to be believed) a suitable mate will be a massive undertaking. I'm just not willing to go through more of them, potentially killing them in the process, to find an acceptable female.

    The best is probably to have a few dedicated tanks so they can be easily caught and moved around.

    As a side note, I found this old (2010) article talking of them becoming invasive in other areas:
    Jaw dropping time-lapse video of a shoal of invasive banggaii cardinalfish

    Never great for other ecological systems, but maybe a win for the Bangaii?

    The original video seems to have disappeared, but here's another:
     
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    I also saw huge amounts of them in Lembeh Strait. I really don't see how it's a big problem though...it's only a few hundred km from their original location and it's not like they're a vicious predator.
     
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    Here is another video that paints more of a doom and gloom picture, claiming that they drive native clowns and other fish from anemones and urchins

     
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    Maybe they should be added to the waters off Florida. At least they can help feed the lion fish, and the lion fish will keep their populations in check :whistling:
     
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    I think the fact that they breed easily, and are adaptable to other areas will probably keep the species going, even if they are eventually lost in their native habitat.
     
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    I still don't see the logic in it. Those clowns are found across the whole Pacific and the cardinals have a tiny, tiny range. What difference does it make if they're outcompeting the same extremely abundant clowns in Lembeh or on the other side of the island.
     
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    I agree.

    I think relocation of an endangered species will always be controversial, with arguments for and against it.

    With proper research and planning I think it can be successful. Not just introducing a species to see what happens, but scientifically looking for a suitable habitat.

    In this instance, with the little info I can gather from two short, one sided videos, I also don't see the problem.
     
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