At what stage of a tanks life does one start carbon dosing?

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  1. mandarinman

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    There are various methods of carbon dosing and opinions on when to start dosing. I have heard wait until tank is fully stocked and mature.
     
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    I think it depends on what you will keep in the tank

    If you keep softies then you do not have to do carbon dosing
    Lps is debatable
    If you keep sps then it makes live easier
     
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    I always wonder what advice to give new guys regarding carbon dosing if at all.
     
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    shouldn't you be asking what you aim to achieve with regards to carbon dosing to answer when you implement it?
     
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    & what type of carbon dosing you talking about? Normal vodka, NOPO:X, Zeo?
     
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    Thats true. Lets say to reduce nutrients
     
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    Is there a difference between the brands. I am not sure
     
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    If you going to be relying on carbon dosing as a form of filtration, then how can you wait for the tank to mature before starting?
    Provided you understand what carbon dosing entails and are 100% sure that its the route you want to go, then start it from the beginning. Regardless of which product you using, the important thing is that you know what the method does and that your system, livestock and equipment are suited to it.
     
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    Huge difference.
    Vodka is normal alchohol but redsea NOPO:X is basically acetone. Its much more effective, but also a lot more dangerous if overdosing should happen.
    Not sure about the zeovit though.

    My opinion about nutrient control is that you should start from the word go. That way, you prevent nutrients to build up & also creates a much more stable system. (compared to suddenly dosing carbon to bring down high nutrients)

    Also, this way you prevent phosphates to settle in your rock which could leach out later.
     
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    Good observation visser. The question is if you start carbon dosing right from the beginning. How does it affect the cycle? What does the carbon do in relation to ammonia and nitrites. How would you recommend determining dosages without a constant bioload?
     
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    Well, the bacteria that converts ammonia into nitrites & nitrites into nitrogen also feeds on carbon so it would actually speed up the cycle to a certain extent.
    Like all carbon dosing procedures, i would just say that you start with about 10% of the recommended volume for a fully loaded tank & increase over a month duration.
    There has never been any real "recommended dosing regime" for carbon, so it is indeed more based on your personal observations & bio-load rather than a manufacturer instruction...
     
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    @mandarineman do you recommend a water change during a cycle?
     
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    To remove what? Or what would be depleted? I am not sure it is necessary what do you think?
     
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    It is also still a good ide to do proper cycling just to clear your live rock from parasites like white spot....
     
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    good point
     
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    well then it seems you have answered your own question

    So if a waterchange is useless during cycling why would you want to lower nutrients through dosing during the cycling?
     
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    not really cos the
    question was at what stage to start carbon dosing and why and how much etc. The discussion was sidetracked by a question of waterchanges during the cycle which was irrelevant to the question.
     
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