Alternative to PO4 remover...

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  1. ml

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    Hi guys,

    I would just like to find out if there is a alterative to liquid phosfate remover or the normal phosfhate remover like phofban an all the other brands.

    I would like to make my tank more natuaral as possible.I want to take out the cemicals like PH buffer , PO4 remover, NO3 removers and NH4 remover all those camicals I want to avoid.

    Thanks
    Mornè
     
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    i`m still new at this but wouldn`t an ats help with that?
     
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    Good water husbandry with 0ppm RO will do a lot, obviously if you have something leaching PO4, no go

    I only use PO4 remover, nothing else on my tank
     
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    Hi martin
    No a atomatic top up sistem or ATS wont help with phosfhates, phosfhates is in everything live rock, food, even in you ro water. it's just at a very low rate like in 0.0001 pmm but if you dont chec it reagurly it may get out of hand and cause green hairy algea to grow.
     
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    well thats true but I dont think RO water is that good, it may be undecectible on our test kits but I am not that sure if it our test kits is as good as a scientivic computer. I may be wrong ...
     
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    no, sorry. i meant an algal turf scrubber
     
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    I tried it but then you lose to much water thew evaporasion or make the Electrisity bill go up.
    I am trying to take the human factor out and let mother nature do her trick. and make the electrisity bil go down not up. More lights, more powerheads, more money gone ....
     
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    Bump heheh
     
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    Morne, I must disagree with you. RO is imperative to good water husbandry! Having a TDS of 0 also indicates an undetectable amount of PO4 (or anything else for that matter) it is as near as dammit H2O as you will get.

    TDS = Total Dissolved Solids, includes all manner of electrolytes and dissolved compounds (including heavy metals)

    Agreed that some test kits are not very reliable, but having your PO4 undetectable on most kits is good enough for me.

    Do you know how a Reverse Osmosis unit works?
     
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    Bump? 10 minutes Morne?

    Its Easter Friday chap, dont push your luck
     
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    Marine tanks, particularly those with LPS and SPS (not to mention a Nennie) are very expensive to run Morne, if electricity is an issue, then you should look at downsizing to a FOWLR perhaps, but whatever you do, dont let the cost distract you from the NUMBER ONE RULE, which is:

    "dont let your inhabitants suffer"
     
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    ATS= Algal Turf Scrubber
    ATO = Automatic Top-off

    So yes Martin, you were correct, an ATS will indeed help, because algae thrive on the phosphates and nitrates in a tank, thus, installing a scrubber will decrease both
     
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    tx, so i did learn something on here:razz:
     
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    IMO the ATS is the most cost effective natural way to go. That said it does not replace good skimming and good husbandry.

    The little bit of extra electricity it consumes is quickly accounted for by the lack of Phosphate remover purchases.
     
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    buffers are only replacing chemicals that are normally in your water. look out for slaked lime(kalkwasser for ca and bicarbonate of soda to elevate and control ph and kh) in local chemist and pnp
     
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    Hi all

    Ok any other alirnatives ??
    please no abbreviations.
     
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    Could I ask why ? How natuarl is a reef in your lounge ?
     
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    Hi martinhal

    It's not acualy that natrural but I dont use cosmetic live rock have old died corals I use as bace rock. I only dose the esentshals, I dont bother with PH. I realy want to use a sun roof like BOB THE BUILDER to lit my tank but I have a problem my tank is on the first story of our house, there is eco slabs that is very hard to dril even a singel hole thew. I can move my tank to another locaton because there is no other one.

    kind regards
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    it looks much nicer than a MH or T5 lit tank and also it better for the marine life.
     
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    Good housekeeping would be the key then. Perhaps use ReefBio Fuel and Microbactor4 made by Brightwell to help reduce PO4.
     
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