All in one, water change, phosban, phosphate sponge, some dosing needs,etc,etc.

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  1. pkc

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    Last night I did a water change, maintained my skimmer, dosing pump,phosban, phosphate sponge, toxin remover and activated carbon as well, and then dosed some amino acids, strontium and usable carbons, plus work on the area that allows me to over dose nearly anything with no ill affects and feed at very regular and massive amounts to enable total success with all my fat and healthy invertebrates, all in one hit.
    This is what I did in that exhausting ten minutes that I do each 6 to 8 days.
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    Its “importing” is done thrown on the lawn now, a short “exporting” distance,lol.
    Each time I trim this and look at the results I feel sorry for so many hobbyists heartache and expense that they have to suffer with.
    Nah after this long and seeing so much bull---- around, I don’t give a rats,lol.
     
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    What specie of macro algae is this?
     
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    Tagging along ....this might be interesting ...
     
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    What skimmer do you have?
     
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    The main algae I use, out of many along with sponges is the local morph of racemosa laetevirens.
    Its from our associate that fronts a genetacist and several specialist marine biologists, they idenitfied my eaxct form of laetevirensa and it is only found from moreton bay to the gold coast,I live just down the road from Moreton bay.
    These two photos are off the common variants of this racemosa
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    This is the laetevirens morph endemic to our area.
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    This racemosa form laetevirens they told me is the most morphic of all caulerpa.
    There are many similar,but the genes are not the same.
    So far I have gained so much information on algae from five specialists in this field and tireless experimentation over 14 years and have come to the conclusion that the info available to hobbyists is weak to say the least.
    I started getting into natural ways of controlling water quality around 20 years ago after some years of doing it the same ways as most hobbyists, not for sometime now!
     
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    The heading and description of these things I use are of a sarcastic nature; I haven’t used a skimmer or phosphate sponge or any mech filtration a part from pre filers in over 20 years.
    I would make my own reactors and venturi skimmers back then and they are useless for the out comes I have been chasing for over 20 years, more so the last 14 years, compared to natural functions.
     
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    The algae is his skimmer
     
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    This is my next experiment , nutrient, organic and inorganic , toxin and metal remover using algae
     
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    It would be really interesting to see a picture filled article of your tank and all the processes involved. I would love to have a better understsnding of the processes involved
     
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    Im not surprised you were frustrated by skimmers of yesteryear! I must say that my tunze 9430 is a real asset
     
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    I have used several tunze and beckets, I like the beckets, is that the spelling of the brand.
    What ever is new I try it out when I can get hold of any.
    A mate was giving away one last month, so I tried it out and they still work similar as in the past, no great change.
    The first skimmer style I copied and I built as my first skimmer and to this day the gurus still they say work better then any form of venturi including pin or needle wheel or what ever skimmers.
    Those being the wood stone style of skimming.
    My first venturi mechanism I made and set into the cheap clear acrylic tubing back then was with the use of conduit and a pen casing, run by an old 802 aqua clear power head, it striped out heaps and very quickly.
    I used to have three in a row I made up flowing from one to the other way back and they were the entire particle pre filter and organic removal system.
    I just had a dry section and phosphate sponge for that one, the corals went really good back then, but no where near as good as these days results for me.
    I don't just sit on what I have done, I always check what's new if I can to see what's happening out there just in case something sneaks through that isn't just something to sell to hobbyists and not achieve that much any way.
    There are no major changes in the industry, there hasn't been for 30 years in its essence, its still very similar in potential out comes, not for new comers.
    The only really good changes are leds and wave makers that are any benefit to my out comes.
     
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    All of my work was on what I could see, later on I found the words for what was running my waters and how.
    Not much of my algae imports metals, it’s mainly done in the anoxic zones as bio sinks, in large external bio areas that are kept clean!!!!
    There you get bio sinks or bacterium's capable of accomplishing this action upon naturally occurring metal conversion and introduced metals as well, with in reason.

    The ones you need are several strains of Brachybacterium and it begins from there.
    I am told there are many strains of this one but only a few work on metals and not much information are on these as yet.
    If a system is used as most do these days, then these strains of bacteria will not co exist with others in the anoxic zone of your established anaerobic media properly.
    They are both there but when organic material is presen functions are corrupted.
    Desulfuvibrio Desulfuricans and brachybacterium strains do not exist well together as the sulphate reducing bacteria from its corrosive affects are adverse to PH and leaches into your waters what you do not want in there and can choke the algae’s response to positive nutrient importing!
    That’s what a deep sand bed does if not kept clean, it turns everything that could have been wonderful,to ----!
     
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    thanks for the info...
    i am eagerly waiting to start this one
     
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    How do you prevent the sulphate reducing bacteria from leaching back into water?
     
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    And why would i want suphate reducing bacteria or need them( im not clued up)
     
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    They will die off in high O2 water I would assume, so they wouldn't leave the anoxic zone

    Nutrient export, NO3 etc
     
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    Really just sounds like algae harvesting setup with lots of high fallutin words?
     
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    Do some serious searches on the net mate; the explanations are all there if you look really hard.
    Try Berkley over in the states as one example, I get a heap of inspiration from there work.

    You don't get it and won't get it so it will never work for you.
     
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    Sulphate reducing bacteria are there in abundance due to hydrogen sulphide production, you know from a dirty permeated with organic matter and failing deep sand bed or the equally dirty internals of your live rock!

    This form of bacteria can oxidise metals, the oxidation process from these will leach toxins that are quite harmful to your reef life. There will be no substantial bio sink if they are in abundance unless your bio areas are massive and lots of them!

    There is no reason to have abundant sulphate reducing bacteria, only because of a useless filthy deep sand bed!
    These compete with nitrate reducing bacteria and now you have nitrate levels that for ages weren’t there!
    Unless you have massive anaerobic/anoxic areas that are clean, but then if they were clean you wouldn’t have the useless sulphate reducing bacteria in the first place in such abundance
     
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    Its not to say it will or wont work for me i am expressing my impression at this stage. This doesnt make it right or wrong it is telling you how i feel at this moment. If you have the inclination feel free to educate me in laymans terms without leaving anything out. That way i can make an informed decision on wether to use the information or not.
     
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