MASA - Marine Aquariums of South Africa
Home Forums Useful Resources Glossary iTrader
Go Back   Marine Aquariums South Africa > > >
RegisterToday's Posts Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Notices

Supersized Tanks Setups with a total system volume of more than 1000 litres (>265 gallons).

Reply
   
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 21-02-2011   #1
Nightwalker
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location:
Posts: 3
Rep: Nightwalker is an unknown quantity at this point
Lightbulb Converting Swimming Pool
Hi Schuan and everybody,

Can anyone tell me what would be required to convert a swimming pool into a "fish tank"?
I suppose one would need to add a pool thermostat?
How can one change the pool filter to be suitable for filtering aquarium water?

What else would be needed?
Can anyone shed some light on this?

Kind Regards

Bryn
Nightwalker is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Nominate this tank for TOTM

  #ADS
Ads
Registered users do not see these google ads. Register today! It's free.
 
 
 
Join Date: Always
Location: Advertising world
Age: 2010
Posts: Many
 


__________________

Ads is online  
Old 21-02-2011   #2
Tremayn
 
Tremayn's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lenasia
Posts: 5,227
Rep: Tremayn is a name known to all
Tremayn is a name known to allTremayn is a name known to allTremayn is a name known to all
Default
U needs lots and lots of $'s .. thats the main thing

__________________

Tremayn is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #3
Nightwalker
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location:
Posts: 3
Rep: Nightwalker is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Converting Pool
Tammy,

What if I had lots and lots of money??

Regards

Bryn
Nightwalker is offline       Reply With Quote
Nominate this tank for TOTM
Old 21-02-2011   #4
Mirage
 
Mirage's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 91
Rep: Mirage is an unknown quantity at this point
Default
My uncle let his pool turn green and before he knew it, he had goldfish... A year later they were 20cm long. So its definitely possible but for Tropical fish it will be difficult? You would need lots of heat and massive UV fiters, but its definitely a possibility, if you look at the pond filters, they have dome filters just like the pool pump. With enough cash, anythin is possible. I'd be careful with all the solar flares though, the UV rays are gonna get seriously bad, make sure you have shelter for your fish, most are bred in tanks indoors or under shade nets where they are protected from the harsh sunlight.
Mirage is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #5
viper357
 
viper357's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a safe place...
Posts: 25,457
Rep: viper357 has disabled reputation
Default
Read this thread, although not a swimming pool it should give you some idea's. - Twenty Six Thousand litre Marine Pond !!!!! - Marine Aquariums of South Africa

If you do go ahead with this project please keep us posted as you go along.

p.s. Welcome to the forum.

__________________


Last edited by viper357; 21-02-2011 at 21:57 PM.
viper357 is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #6
herkie
R.I.P.
 
herkie's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: May 2007
Location: The Bay of KZN
Posts: 884
Rep: herkie will become famous soon enoughherkie will become famous soon enough
Default
Welcome Nightwalker how I wish I could dream about a big tank like the one you are thinking about. Wishing you all the best and lots of pleasure.
herkie is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #7
RiaanP
 
RiaanP's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Centurion
Posts: 18,478
Rep: RiaanP has a reputation beyond reputeRiaanP has a reputation beyond reputeRiaanP has a reputation beyond repute
RiaanP has a reputation beyond reputeRiaanP has a reputation beyond repute
Default
just converting a pool into a Koi pond, is not really effective. Koi fish produce a lot of waste. And only way to have an effective filter system is to have bottom drains.

Then also on a standard pool, the slope of the floor is not enough, so leaves that fell into the pool, and even the fish waste will to float down close to a bottom drain. It should be 30 degree or more angles to be really effective. That also forces you to use multiple bottom drains, spaces over the bottom of the pool. So no, it will not work.

Using 50mm pipes on the bottom drains, will also not work. They will block up, as the flow speed is not enough. Must be at least 110mm pipe.

Another thing not taken into account on Koi ponds. The filter system should be gravity fed. Water flow out of pond, via filter system to last chamber where the return pump must be. Should not use a pump in the bottom of the drain to pump water to the filter system. Why smash up the leaves into tiny bits with pump impeller, then try to take that particles out with your filtration. Its ok on smaller ponds maybe, less that 2square meter surface. But still, not a good idea to use pumps between pond and filter, but rather on return between filter and pump.

Even with gravity fed systems, and using 110mm bottom drain pipes, the system can still block up. So how do you flush the bottom of the pool? Must use standpipes inside a weir. That is a deep pit between pond and filter. So you suck the weir dry, pull the standpipe, and the empty weir gets filled rapidly by strong flow from one bottom drain.

So you see, there is one hell of a lot of changes you need to do to be able to convert a swimming pool into an effective koi pond.

OK, as this is a marine forum, what must be done to convert the pool into a marine environment, with enough water flow for corals, preventing detritus, keeping rainwater and other groundwater out, nutrient removal,.... Damn, its a complete rebuild to convert it into a Koi pond, never mind even contemplating a marine rock pool.

__________________

The cycle is only complete when the dead has been eaten
RiaanP is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #8
Dane
 
Dane's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Fregate Island, Seychelles
Posts: 1,717
Rep: Dane is a splendid one to behold
Dane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to behold
Default
I would much rather spend the moolah on a proper full blown indoors reef tank. The "marine-pond" has never appealed to me. But to each his own!

You will probably need a MONSTER skimmer tho!
Monster AquaMedic Skimmer - Marine Aquariums of South Africa


__________________



Dane is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #9
Sammy
 
Sammy's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Tokai, Cape Town
Posts: 1,190
Rep: Sammy is a jewel in the roughSammy is a jewel in the roughSammy is a jewel in the roughSammy is a jewel in the rough
Default
OMG, is that a skimmer or a SKIMMER ???

__________________

Its a drug and I'm happily addicted
Sammy is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #10
LuckyFish
 
LuckyFish's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 2,531
Rep: LuckyFish has a reputation beyond repute
LuckyFish has a reputation beyond reputeLuckyFish has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane View Post
I would much rather spend the moolah on a proper full blown indoors reef tank. The "marine-pond" has never appealed to me. But to each his own!

You will probably need a MONSTER skimmer tho!
Monster AquaMedic Skimmer - Marine Aquariums of South Africa

OMG Dane, you picked up a lot if weight since I saw you the last time. :-)

__________________

Be safe, than sorry! You have to read this!
http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/sick-fish/32807-you-guys-really-making-sick.html
Breed the Banggai cardinals and help to get them off the RED List! I will support you, where I can!
http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/breeding-fish/15325-breeding-information-about-banggai-cardinals.html
LuckyFish is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 21-02-2011   #11
Dane
 
Dane's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Fregate Island, Seychelles
Posts: 1,717
Rep: Dane is a splendid one to behold
Dane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to beholdDane is a splendid one to behold
Default
Dude! You know thats not me, and don't dis the guy! Hahaha, ze bloody germans! ;-)

__________________



Dane is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #12
seank
 
seank's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: May 2007
Location: North of Durban and South of Mozambique
Posts: 11,976
Rep: seank has a reputation beyond repute
seank has a reputation beyond reputeseank has a reputation beyond reputeseank has a reputation beyond reputeseank has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Ja, Psycho is a big man

__________________

I am here to learn about patience and I only trust those who can walk on water.........

seank is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #13
Q89
 
Q89's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Swakopmund
Posts: 385
Rep: Q89 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane View Post
I would much rather spend the moolah on a proper full blown indoors reef tank. The "marine-pond" has never appealed to me. But to each his own!

You will probably need a MONSTER skimmer tho!
Monster AquaMedic Skimmer - Marine Aquariums of South Africa

I think I'm in love with this skimmer!! Its so huge

__________________

-Domenique

My Piece of Ocean.
Q89 is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #14
Neil H
 
Neil H's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: May 2008
Location: JHB
Posts: 2,791
Rep: Neil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond repute
Neil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond reputeNeil H has a reputation beyond repute
Default
I am with Riaan on this one....

a pool and a koi pond need completely different building methodologies, yea a pool can be converted but you will compromise all over the place, same with a marine pond, it can be done but again you will compromise

to give you a very very basic idea of what may be involved in converting a pool to a marine pond

a HUGE skimmer as shown above
a huge DSB and Macro algae fuge for nutrient export.
serious heating capabilities for the winter months
enourmous amounts of live rock.
many pool pumps circulating the water
for it to look like anything worthwhile, literally hundreds of thousands of Rands worth of corals and even more on fish
Huge CARX and carbon reactors
facilities to do massive water changes
ability to deal with salinity changes when there is heavy rain

those would be some of the basics you would have to consider

__________________




The more you know, the more you know, you don't know........ in life and marines
Neil H is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #15
maxisoft
 
maxisoft's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Fourways, Sandton, Jhb
Posts: 772
Rep: maxisoft has a spectacular aura aboutmaxisoft has a spectacular aura aboutmaxisoft has a spectacular aura aboutmaxisoft has a spectacular aura about
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q89 View Post
I think I'm in love with this skimmer!! Its so huge
Haha... this puts paid to the term "BIGGER IS BETTER." see some of our members are already converting and falling in love....
maxisoft is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #16
Tremayn
 
Tremayn's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lenasia
Posts: 5,227
Rep: Tremayn is a name known to all
Tremayn is a name known to allTremayn is a name known to allTremayn is a name known to all
Default
It would be best to build a shelter over the pool.

__________________

Tremayn is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #17
RiaanP
 
RiaanP's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Centurion
Posts: 18,478
Rep: RiaanP has a reputation beyond reputeRiaanP has a reputation beyond reputeRiaanP has a reputation beyond repute
RiaanP has a reputation beyond reputeRiaanP has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Take a average 20 000L pool.
To have 20 times turnover, you look at 400 thou liters of water to be moved per hour.

Take Seio M2600 that pumps 10000L/h and you need 40 of them. Ok, you should get a nice discount ordering 40, but at around R1000 each, you need to put down 40K just on circulation. And that is only for 20* turnover. And where are you going to stick them up? Forget about the magnets. OK, so normal powerheads will not work. For 40 times turnover, 80 pumps and 80K. Your LFS would LOVE you. Imagine the electrical multiplug setup to plug in 80 points.

Multiple swimming pool pumps, then again, you need to bash holes into the pool to fit all these extra outlets and suction points. Then those suction places should be such that it does not suck in your fish, mince them up and give your other livestock really fresh food.

__________________

The cycle is only complete when the dead has been eaten
RiaanP is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #18
LuckyFish
 
LuckyFish's Avatar
 
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 2,531
Rep: LuckyFish has a reputation beyond repute
LuckyFish has a reputation beyond reputeLuckyFish has a reputation beyond repute
Default
How to enjoy a marine pond, when you only can see it from the top????

__________________

Be safe, than sorry! You have to read this!
http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/sick-fish/32807-you-guys-really-making-sick.html
Breed the Banggai cardinals and help to get them off the RED List! I will support you, where I can!
http://www.marineaquariumsa.com/breeding-fish/15325-breeding-information-about-banggai-cardinals.html
LuckyFish is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #19
Dale6
 
Dale6's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East London
Posts: 779
Rep: Dale6 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default
Wel a pool would be big enough to snorkel in?

__________________

Dale6 is offline       Reply With Quote
Old 22-02-2011   #20
Keeganp
 
Keeganp's Avatar
 
My Aquarium Specs
Main InfoStats and RepSocial and Albums
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Durban
Posts: 1,570
Rep: Keeganp is a jewel in the roughKeeganp is a jewel in the roughKeeganp is a jewel in the roughKeeganp is a jewel in the roughKeeganp is a jewel in the rough
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyFish View Post
How to enjoy a marine pond, when you only can see it from the top????
+1 If I were to do something like that, I'd atleast put in a glass from the side to view indoors... looking at fish from the top just doesnt cut it for me...
Keeganp is offline       Reply With Quote
Reply


Tags
converting, pool, swimming

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
  All content Copyright 2007-2014, marineaquariumsa.com
SA Topsites ::